Avatar (James Cameron)

[TheEnvoy]

Es wird natürlich das System verwendet welches im Kino verbaut ist... bei den großen Ketten als vorwiegend RealD.

Gab es bei Heise letztens auch einen Beitrag zu: Avatar Verleih subventioniert Plastikmüll

Ich hoffe mal ich komme noch vor Weihnachten dazu mir den Film anzusehen, nachdem er hier so gut aufgenommen worden ist.

[DerBademeister]

Wie teuer sind die 3D-Vorstellungen bei Euch eigentlich?
Hier im Mathäser zahlte man dafür 11,90 Euro (mit Real 3D Brille), wobei dies Nachmittags am Donnerstag war (Freitag, WE und Abendvorstellungen sind teurer), und auch kein Studentenrabatt gewährt wurde (der normalerweise 1 Euro beträgt). Damit ist 3D etwa doppelt so teuer wie eine normale Karte für mich als Studenten.

Von diesen Real-Brillen habe ich mittlerweile drei Stück zuhause.

[Imzadi]

Bei uns kostet die 19:30 Uhr Vorstellung 10 €, incl. Brille und ohne Rabatte.

[Cuspid]

Bei mir im Cinestar kostete die Karte am Mittwoch 11,70 €.
(inklusive Brille und Überlängenzuschlag)

Von diesen Real-Brillen habe ich mittlerweile drei Stück zuhause.

Dir ist schon klar, dass du die Kinokarte auch ohne Brille buchen könntest?
Beim letzten Kinobesuch hatte ich nämlich die Brille umweltfreundlich in den "Wir recyceln Ihre Brille"-Behälter geworfen, nur um sie jetzt neu kaufen zu müssen (immerhin 1€!). Auf Nachfrage an der Kasse bekam ich dann die Auskunft, das man NATÜRLICH eine 3D Kinokarte auch OHNE Zubehör erwerben kann. Man muss es halt nur wissen und vorher sagen.
Hahaha

[DerBademeister]

Hier sind die im Paket und Du kannst Dir kein Geld sparen indem Du selber eine mitbringst. Die Gründe werden ja auch in Envoys Link erörtert.

[Cuspid]

Hier sind die im Paket und Du kannst Dir kein Geld sparen indem Du selber eine mitbringst. Die Gründe werden ja auch in Envoys Link erörtert.

Okay wenn sie eh im Preis drin sind...im Cinestar geht es halt auch ohne.

Und was die Technik angeht: nach telefonischer Auskunft der Cinestar Zentrale ist die verwendete Brille eine reine Filterbrille, die man problemlos mehrmals benutzen kann (wenn keine Kratzer/Fettflecken drauf sind). Also nix mit Einmalbrille und Infrarot per Fernbedienung.
Ich bin am Wochenende nochmal im Kino, mit der "alten" Brille. Da werde ich mal testen ob es nochmal klappt...

[cornholio1980]

Mit Moviecard kostete mich die Vorstellung "nur" € 8,90, wobei hier 1 Euro für die 3D-Brille schon inkludiert war. Habe mittlerweile zwei und werde in Zukunft darauf hinweisen, dass ich keine mehr benötige, dann spar ich mir wieder was.

In der UCI hätte ich für alles nur € 5,- bezahlt, aber leider gabs dort keine guten Plätze mehr.

Im übrigen frage ich mich, warum die Kinos nicht einfach ein Pfandsystem für 3D-Brillen einführen, wie das z.B. auch bei Bechern bei KOnzerten teilweise verwendet wird: Du zahlst 1 Euro Pfand, und gibst du die Brille zurück bekommst du ihn auch wieder retour. Das würde den Kinos wohl auf lange Sicht günstiger kommen, wenn man bedenkt, wie viele sich ihre Brille sonst wohl so behalten dürften...

[Falcon]

Mit Moviecard kostete mich die Vorstellung "nur" € 8,90, wobei hier 1 Euro für die 3D-Brille schon inkludiert war. Habe mittlerweile zwei und werde in Zukunft darauf hinweisen, dass ich keine mehr benötige, dann spar ich mir wieder was.

In der UCI hätte ich für alles nur € 5,- bezahlt, aber leider gabs dort keine guten Plätze mehr.

5 Euro für eine 3D-Vorstellung?!?! Für den Preis bekommt man bei den großen Ketten doch eigentlich selbst an den billigsten Tagen kaum eine Karte für 'nen 2D-Film. Wie funktioniert denn das?

Im übrigen frage ich mich, warum die Kinos nicht einfach ein Pfandsystem für 3D-Brillen einführen, wie das z.B. auch bei Bechern bei KOnzerten teilweise verwendet wird: Du zahlst 1 Euro Pfand, und gibst du die Brille zurück bekommst du ihn auch wieder retour.

Mehrweg-Systeme scheinen sich momentan aufgrund der Konditionen der Verleiher wohl nicht zu rentieren. Siehe den Heise-Artikel den Envoy oben verlinkt hat.

Das würde den Kinos wohl auf lange Sicht günstiger kommen, wenn man bedenkt, wie viele sich ihre Brille sonst wohl so behalten dürften...

Wenn ich es kaufe, darf ich's doch auch behalten. Kann Dir da gerade nicht folgen...

[Dr.BrainFister]

ich zahlte 0,00 EUR für den eintritt und 0,00 EUR für den 3D-aufschlag. übrigens wurden im düsseldorfer UFA einwegbrillen ausgegeben. ob das beim regulären publikumsbetrieb anders ist, weiß ich nicht.


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[wu-chi]

hmm, wo bleibt dann dein ausführliches review, denn außer pipifax kam von dir nicht rüber...

aber es ist schön zu lesen, daß mein eindruck des kleinen 3d-previews doch im großen und ganzen bestätigt wird.

grüße
wu-chi

[Dr.BrainFister]

hmm, wo bleibt dann dein ausführliches review, denn außer pipifax kam von dir nicht rüber...
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pipifax? was meinst du damit? gerade bei "avatar" war ich bisher sehr sachbetont und beteiligte mich vor allem kaum an all den nörglerischen vorab-spekulationen (die sich inzwischen ja größtenteils als bullshit erweisen). schließlich hab ich diesen thread damals auch auf grund konkreter aussagen camerons eröffnet anstatt nur irgendwelches geek-gebabbel wiederzukäuen.

ich hab geschrieben, dass ich den film gelungen finde. das reicht doch. ein ausführliches review schreibt corny. der kann das besser als ich. ihm hat der film ja ebenfalls gefallen. wozu sollten zwei leute jeweils einen ausführlichen text darüber schreiben, der erklärt, warum "avatar" gut ist? doppelt gemoppelt.


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[wu-chi]

okay, wenn das dein review war und du aber dabei aber letzlich auf den guten corny verweisen mußt, nun gut. ich hätte gedacht, es kommt etwas mehr.

grüße
wu-chi

[Dr.BrainFister]

@wu-chi
als mod kennst du diese arbeitsaufteilung doch aus dem b5-forum: corny macht die arbeit und du schaust zu.

nee, ich hab andere "talente". z.b. startet dieses wochenende unser "avatar"-gewinnspiel, für das ich schlumpfig-geniale preise rangeschafft habe.


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[wu-chi]

lol, brainy
wenn du das so siehst, kein ding....
aber ein review bleibst du uns trotzdem schuldig.

[Octantis]

Grafik ist wie erwartet sehr geil, Story wie erwartet schrecklich unorginell. Werds wohl nicht noch mal durchzocken....................
äh moment, ganz vergessen, war ja ein Film und kein Game.

Einführung ins Indianerleben...äh Navileben (was ja eigentlich nichts anderes als blaue Indianer in Furryfeuchtraum Körpern waren) ist aber etwas zu lang.

Action am Ende und Effekte am Ende waren aber einfach übertrieben geil (und man möchte am liebsten zu Neytiri in die Leinwand hüpfen..... ), also 8/10
10/10 hätte er nur mit sehr guter Story bekommen

[nevermore]

... und beteiligte mich vor allem kaum an all den nörglerischen vorab-spekulationen (die sich inzwischen ja größtenteils als bullshit erweisen).

Welche meinst du denn damit konkret?

[Dr.BrainFister]

Welche meinst du denn damit konkret?

dass die effekte des films nicht überzeugen werden... dass er bei den kritikern durchfällt... dass das interesse daran gering sein wird... dass er an kindische fantasy-märchen erinnert... dass er wie unfertig wirken wird... dass die blauen aliens neben den menschlichen darstellern albern und unrealistisch wirken... etc.


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[DerBademeister]

dass die effekte des films nicht überzeugen werden... dass er bei den kritikern durchfällt... dass das interesse daran gering sein wird... dass er an kindische fantasy-märchen erinnert... dass er wie unfertig wirken wird... dass die blauen aliens neben den menschlichen darstellern albern und unrealistisch wirken... etc.


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Sagte man auch bevor 1977 STAR WARS rauskam, der Lucas musste sich die 10 Millionen $ Budget nicht umsonst bei Fox zusammenbetteln. So ging es übrigens auch Cameron als das Budget von Titanic explodierte und der Studioboss ihm den Geldhahn zudrehen wollte.

[Dr.BrainFister]

Sagte man auch bevor 1977 STAR WARS rauskam, der Lucas musste sich die 10 Millionen $ Budget nicht umsonst bei Fox zusammenbetteln. So ging es übrigens auch Cameron als das Budget von Titanic explodierte und der Studioboss ihm den Geldhahn zudrehen wollte.

hier ein von der öko-thematik in "avatar" angeregter vorschlag: all die laberköpfe, die es nötig haben, sich im internet gewichtig an solchen vorab-spekulationen zu beteiligen, pflanzen für die damit verschwendete server-energie pro selbst verfassten kommentar jeweils einen baum im regenwald. ist sicherlich wirksamer als jede von günther jauchs bierkastenkampagnen. denn der virtuelle laberfluss all dieser 'sich-selbst-zu-wichtig-nehmer' toppt sogar den bierdurst hierzulande und ist derart grenzenlos, dass der regenwald im nullkommanix wieder sprießen würde.


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[DerBademeister]

Eine gute Schau an Reviews welche weniger die Effekte von AVATAR beleuchten, als das Storytelling und die Charaktere (also die Teile eines Films die in einem derartigen Effektfeuerwerk oft verkümmern). Kopiert aus dem Avatar-board von imdb.

James Berardinelli (his 4-star rating for Avatar was just his fourth doled out in the past three years)
http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_...dentifier=1931

Avatar is entertainment of the highest order. It's the best movie of 2009. ...the traditional film elements - story, character, editing, theme, emotional resonance, etc. - are presented with sufficient expertise to make even the 2D version an engrossing 2 1/2-hour experience. Despite expending an extraordinary amount of time, money, and effort perfecting the 3D elements, Cameron never lost sight of what's important. ...

Avatar doesn't have Leonardo DiCaprio but its love story is in some ways more potent than the one told in Titanic because the stakes are higher. ...

Cameron understands how the pieces of the puzzle need to come together to form a complete motion picture, and he assembles them as only a master can. The story, although simple, resonates deeply at a time when media battles rage about whether or not humanity is destroying itself and its planet. ...

the Na'vi... We believe them. We accept them. We care about them. That's the key to Avatar being more than a hollow spectacle. In Transformers 2, everything (including the humans) is soulless. Here, there's heart and soul to spare. ...

Any criticisms I have of Avatar are in the nature of nit-picks... At worst, they are ephemeral distractions, easily dismissed. At best, they will not be noticed at all. ...

Avatar boasts a smart script, reminding us that would-be blockbusters don't have to be defined by the imbecility of a Transformers 2 or a 2012.

Rick Groen, The Globe and Mail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1402971/

But it's definitely a movie to... remind us that Cameron is that rare technocrat who knows how to tell a story. ...

But, first, the script, which Cameron has ingeniously crafted to sail out on three separate tacks simultaneously – forward into a revealed future and back to a lost past, all the while addressing the concerns of our troubled present. Narratively, it lets him hopscotch around different genres like sci-fi, adventure, war flicks, even vintage westerns – look and it's a stranger-in-a-strange land tale, look again and it's cowboys-and-Indians shtick. And, thematically, he gets to be similarly eclectic, commenting (yes, liberally) on everything from environmental havoc and health-care reform to American imperialism and corporate greed. ...

since the imagery is so potent and unique and palpably exotic, the familiar narrative tropes are almost reassuring, helping to ground us in this otherworldly Eden and giving the predictable message a surprisingly fresh vigour. ...

Avatar is a king's ransom fairly well spent, not least because Cameron's invitation into his superbly crafted universe comes with an unexpected price: He makes it easy to gaze fondly on all this movie magic, but only in exchange for a hard look at ourselves.

Harry Knowles, Ain't It Cool News
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43430

I love AVATAR – and it isn’t because of the 3D, the big blue people, the alien landscape with floating mountains and it’s version of flying critters. It isn’t because of the mech armor, the flying battleships and the wasp-like helicopters. It is because of the story. ....

However, what grabs me is this Jake Sully character. He isn’t crazy charismatic, he’s a grunt. ...

But what continued to draw me in was Jake’s personal journey. The point where he stops thinking like a human. Or as the Na’vi put it, “cured of his insanity.” Because to the Na’vi – the human culture is insane. Why would you tear into the ground for rocks. Why would you simply not co-exist with this wonderful splendor? Well, you’re dealing with people operating over satellite geo-thermal readings, instead of any aesthetic surface quality.

This film and that world require you to look deeper than that. You can’t just dismiss the visuals, the visuals are KEY to telling the story. Watching the subtleties of Jake Sully’s Hum’vi and Zoe Saldana’s Neytiri… I fall in love. You can see the moments where Neytiri ceases to look at Sully as a chore and is instead looking upon him with respect. You can see the moments where Sully is ashamed of himself and his actions. Me, I love watching Wes Studi’s Eytukan – you read the disgust on his face, and the pride he has in Sully becoming one of the ‘people’ – and then the racist rage that comes with this Dreamwalker mating with Daddy’s little girl. ...

I love the heroic legend this movie creates – about a hero borne a man, but who will die as something else entirely – and possibly live throughout eternity as a legend that saved their planet… or awoke a beast light years away.

For me, the story is great, the setting is amazing, the characters are living a story I’d dream to be a part of – and the filmmaking is, as always, James Cameron at his best. The action, heart and soul are all there.

AVATAR is unlike anything I’ve seen before, it is a story of heroes, human greed, cultural discovery and a dream of human accomplishment that I have wished my whole life that we as a society would pursue. There are stories like this waiting for us out there. Let’s get started!

Colin Covert, Minneapolis Star Tribune
http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/79419362.html

But it isn't visuals alone that make "Avatar" a marvelous, resonant film. Its power comes from its marriage of strong, well defined characters with a story that tests them to the limits of courage and compassion. The film is a sensually and psychologically immersive experience with thrill-ride sequences and romantic interludes that will put your heart in your throat. The visuals are the foundation of everything else.

Kirk Honeycutt, Hollywood Reporter
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...04052868.story

A fully believable, flesh-and-blood (albeit not human flesh and blood) romance is the beating heart of "Avatar." Cameron has never made a movie just to show off visual pyrotechnics: Every bit of technology in "Avatar" serves the greater purpose of a deeply felt love story. ...

Jake manages to get taken in by one tribe where a powerful, Amazonian named Neytiri (Zoe Saldana) takes him under her wing to teach him how to live in the forest, speak the language and honor the traditions of nature. Yes, they fall in love but Cameron has never been a sentimentalist: He makes it tough on his love birds.

They must overcome obstacles and learn each other's heart. The Na'vi have a saying, "I see you," which goes beyond the visual. It means I see into you and know your heart. ....

the editing attributed to Cameron, Stephen Rivkin and John Refoua maintains a breathless pace that exhilarates rather than fatigues. Not a minute is wasted; there is no down time.

Roger Ebert
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/912119998

At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades. Small graceful details like a floating creature that looks like a cross between a blowing dandelion seed and a drifting jellyfish, and embodies goodness. Or astonishing floating cloud-islands.

I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.

It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected.

Manohla Dargis, NY Times
http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/12/18...tml?ref=movies

is a song to the natural world that was largely produced with software, an Emersonian exploration of the invisible world of the spirit filled with Cameronian rock ’em, sock ’em pulpy action. Created to conquer hearts, minds, history books and box-office records, the movie — one of the most expensive in history, the jungle drums thump — is glorious and goofy and blissfully deranged.

Though it’s easy to pigeonhole Mr. Cameron as a gear head who’s more interested in cool tools (which here include 3-D), he is, with “Avatar,” also making a credible attempt to create a paradigm shift in science-fiction cinema. Since it was first released in 1999, “The Matrix,” which owes a large debt to Mr. Cameron’s own science-fiction films as well as the literary subgenre of cyberpunk, has hung heavily over both SF and action filmmaking. Most films that crib from “The Matrix” tend to borrow only its slo-mo death waltzes and leather fetishism, keeping its nihilism while ditching the intellectual inquiries. Although “Avatar” delivers a late kick to the gut that might be seen as nihilistic (and how!), it is strangely utopian.

J.R. Jones, Chicago Reader
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago...es?oid=1187528

None of this would matter, though, if not for Cameron's perfectly arcing story line, in which a paraplegic military man (Sam Worthington) gets a chance to inhabit an ambulatory alien body and ultimately must choose between his own people and the tribal community they're about to attack.

Chris Hewitt, Empire
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/...asp?FID=133552

Avatar is unequivocally, completely, 100% the film that has been percolating in James Cameron’s head for the last fourteen years. It is not, in all probability, the film that you had in yours when you first heard that the man who directed Aliens and The Terminator was returning to sci-fi with a movie so ambitious that he had to build the technology to make it happen. If you can let go of your version and embrace Cameron’s – if you’re not, in other words, one of those splenetic internet fanboy types who’ve apparently made their minds up about Avatar before seeing it – then Avatar is a hugely rewarding experience: rich, soulful and exciting in the way that only comes from seeing a master artist at work. ...

The surprise here is how effective Avatar’s central coupling is, the emotion between Jake and Neytiri ... It’s a genuinely engaging relationship – just because they’re aliens doesn’t mean they have to be alienating.

But, as much as technology aids and defines Avatar, it’s also a love letter to humanity and the glory of mother nature. The analogy with the Vietnam and Iraq wars is obvious, but Cameron, in siding with the insurgents (hardly an all-American move, but then again he is Canadian), is also asking fairly complex questions about what it means to be human. “How does it feel to betray your race?”, Sully is asked at one point, but by then, Cameron’s point has been made: the humans here, Sully and an assortment of ‘good’ scientists, led by Sigourney Weaver’s Dr. Grace Augustine, aside, are the monsters; avaricious, rapacious, planet-killers. There’s never any doubt that Cameron considers the Na’vi to be more human – freer of spirit and emotion, more connected to the world around them.

Scott Foundas, LA Weekly
http://www.laweekly.com/2009-12-17/f...distant-world/

Too often in [King Kong], the true 800-pound gorilla seemed to be in the director’s chair, beating his CGI chest at the expense of an involving narrative. Cameron, by contrast, is a fundamentally compact storyteller who, even when he makes a three-hour movie, keeps things moving in rapid-fire bursts

Peter Rainer, Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture...r-movie-review

But Cameron – like Quentin Tarantino, only much grander – is a master of pastiche. He makes the old new by investing it with a fervor all his own. It’s always a surprise to rediscover just how much Cameron cares about all this pulp paraphernalia. He also cares about the people in his movies – or at least the ones he doesn’t blow to smithereens – and this, too, distinguishes him from the usual run of catastrophe movie honchos. As corny as it is, the snugglefest between Jake and Neytiri hits home.

Kenneth Turan, LA Times
http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/r...,7145753.story

Perhaps most unexpected of all, "Avatar" is surprisingly enlivened by all the seeming contradictions it brazenly puts together.

At one and the same time this film is a boys' adventure tale with a major romantic element, an anti-imperialism movie that gets considerable mileage out of depicting invading armies, a neo-pagan, anti-technology film that touts the healing powers of nature but is up to its neck in the latest gizmos and gadgets.

Richard Corliss, TIME
http://www.time.com/time/arts/articl...947438,00.html

Cameron has devised a romance similar to Titanic's — a grunt falls in love with a princess — but this time with far more emotive power. Instead of embracing on a ship's prow, Sully and Neyfiri ride their banshee steeds in ecstatic communion across the Pandoran sky. Think of them as the prince and princess of the world. ...unlike the tryst between DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, this love affair has consequences. It is not a footnote to history; it makes history, as two species merge to save a planet.

Steven Rea, Philadelphia Inquirer
http://www.philly.com/philly/enterta...16_Avatar.html

One of Avatar's many brilliant strokes is to have its hero in a wheelchair: When his avatar-self starts running barefoot through the jungles, as agile as a cat, it's exhilarating and liberating - for both Sully and the audience. ...

For the folks who plunk down their dollars (and pick up the plastic 3-D glasses), Avatar delivers. Combining beyond-state-of-the-art moviemaking with a tried-and-true storyline and a gamer-geek sensibility - not to mention a love angle, an otherworldly bestiary, and an arsenal of 22d-century weaponry - the movie quite simply rocks.

Ty Burr, Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/arti...rience/?page=3

Is Cameron aware of the traps of this fantasy? More than it might seem. “Avatar’’ is, after all, a movie where the hero dreams himself into a strong blue body and wakes, crestfallen, to find himself back in his own skin. The movie knows that Jake Sully is like Pinocchio, a human marionette aching to be a real alien, and at times it takes the measure of the distance between the two. Not for nothing is the standard Na’Vi greeting “I see you.’’ Not for nothing is the scene in which Neytiri finally says those words to the human Jake the most emotionally powerful moment in the film.

Nick Nunziata, CHUD
http://www.chud.com/articles/article...TAR/Page1.html

The dialogue and execution of the plot is excellent

Cameron has made very cold movies and movies that embrace raw emotion and Avatar truly does feel like the marriage of those worlds. The Abyss did it well. This does it better. This feels genuine. It may sometimes border on familiar [the Dances with Wolves comparison is a fair one, but on the same note so are Dune, The Lord of the Rings, and Princess Mononoke] and we've seen the "Corporations and military are the ultimate evil" vibe before, in fact quite effectively in previous Cameron films.

It just works. A lot of that is due to the technical work and theme park aspect to watching a gigantic epic [and this is epic, no doubt] film in 3-D but it's moreso due to the great performances across the board, Cameron's very tight scripting, and the fact they just don't make 'em like this anymore. It works. It just requires a little bit of that wonder that made many of us such avid readers and consumers of celluloid.

Jeffrey Wells, Hollywood Elsewhere
http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2...ne_madness.php

a forest-primeval symphonic naturalist hard-on movie that... coheres emotionally

Dave Poland, Movie City News
http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/a...view_avat.html

Avatar works. You care about the CG characters. It tugs the heart.

Randy Myers, San Jose Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

the eco-themed screenplay is sturdy enough and features some clever lines and a few tender moments

Anne Thompson, IndieWire
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsono...joyous_cinema/

Avatar is a joyous celebration of story craft ...

Cameron is a master at quick efficient storytelling. You know that every detail is thought-out and will pay off down the line.